Just wondered if anyone else had had any issues with groups of black kids around Tulse Hill/West Norwood recently.
I've had two experiences recently that have left me very un-easy and more than a little p*ssed off.
I popped to the offy accross the road from "This that and the Other" to get a bottle of wine and I noticed a group of about 6/7 kids (14 or 15 year olds) across the other side of the street by the petrol garage. Instinct told me these boys were up for it and sure enough out of nowhere one of them "luzzed" a half full bottle of coke at my head! It missed by a foot or so and would have taken me out completely. This was a 7pm! They then just wondered down the road eye-balling me hoping for a reaction. I decided to avoid a confrontation and walk home. I can tell you that I was livid and would like nothing better then to return the bottle with force to any of their faces. However, I am more that aware of the possible consequences so I left it.
On Saturday night I was walking through West Norwood/Tulse Hill just past the bridge near the White Hart pub at about ten o'clock with my wife and we passed a group of about ten kids hanging about and generally giving it the large one (which is what teenage kids do). We walked about ten feet past them when some coins flew past our heads and narrowly missed my wife's head. Now I was bloody furious and thankfully the missus persuaded me not to remonstrate with them as I would no doubt have had the s*it kicked out of me or maybe worse.
Anyway, two examples of unacceptable behaviour by these little so and so's - just wondered if I have just been unlucky recently or if there is a rising problem in the area.
Also, what would you do in a similar circimstance? I felt a bit annoyed with myself for not standing up to them but if I'm honest, I was a bit scared.
Full Version: Problem with youths in West Norwood/Tulse Hill
My condolences. It makes me sick to hear about this stuff day in day out.
To quote: "the course of action I would suggest, is not a course of action that I can suggest"
However, if you fancy staying in and watching a DVD then this might give you some ideas: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071402/
To quote: "the course of action I would suggest, is not a course of action that I can suggest"
However, if you fancy staying in and watching a DVD then this might give you some ideas: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0071402/
I would suggest calling the Police if this is a regular problem and see if they can increase patrols in the areas affected.
I don't think it needs to be a regular problem - dial 999 immediately you are threatened (the missiles were obviously aimed at causing injury). You should do this not just for yourself but for other members of the public.
Really sorry to hear it. I see it on a minor scale every morning on the 432 for a few minutes until it drops them all off at the schools off Central Hill. All around the bus, adults of every shape and size are tutting or directly telling them to be quiet but they are like packs and screech a load of nonsense street talk all the way. It seems to be mixed groups, though boys and girls tend to stay separate from what I can see, until it comes to "flirting with fireworks": I've seen various things thrown around, on to and out of the bus, from sweets to lit rockets.
Speaking of that particular stretch you mention, I am also sickened by the the graffiti on the poster under the railway bridge over Norwood Road at Tulse Hill. It enrages and saddens me every time I see it because it perpetuates horribleness in a part of town that is already run down enough. Though it's words, it just seems violent or violence-inducing.
As you say, though, standing up to these kids would likely lead to injury, jail or both.
Very frustrating.
Was it on here I read we're to get the mobile number of beat police support officers? I wonder if it will help. Apparently successfully piloted.
Speaking of that particular stretch you mention, I am also sickened by the the graffiti on the poster under the railway bridge over Norwood Road at Tulse Hill. It enrages and saddens me every time I see it because it perpetuates horribleness in a part of town that is already run down enough. Though it's words, it just seems violent or violence-inducing.
As you say, though, standing up to these kids would likely lead to injury, jail or both.
Very frustrating.
Was it on here I read we're to get the mobile number of beat police support officers? I wonder if it will help. Apparently successfully piloted.
call the police and report these incidents - probably they'll do nothing about it but at least if they get few people complaining they might consider some action ... make these yob work for the community and learn a job - they might have less time to spend ahnging around doing nothing and annoying people - they are clearly bored and possibled under the effects of alcohol/drugs
All fair points but to be honest calling the rozzers just didn't enter my head (my fault or theirs?).
The last time I bothered to follow up on a robbery nothing really happened. Me and the wife were coming home from a fancy dress New Years eve party. Strolling home hand in hand at about 3am we were rushed by about 15 black kids who pushed us into the bust stop and took my mobile before running off into Norbury park. Two stand out points. We were outside the now closed Norbury Police Station. And we were dressed and Sid Vicious and Nancy!
I went to the old bill station in South Norwood after reporting the assault by phone. I was asked to look at mug shots but to be honest I wouldn't have a clue what any of them looked like. I asked about the cctv cameras installed and was told that the footage was too "Grainy". Funny how whenever I get a ticket for doing 31 in a 30mph zone the footage isn't "Grainy" - why can't they use the same bloody cameras?
Anyway, got a call a few days later from a well meaning chap asking if I wanted to talk about being a victim of crime - I politely told him that having grown up in Norwood and Thornton Heath I was fully aware of the feelings of being a victim of crime and had come to terms with it in my own way!
I never received another word on the incident.
The last time I bothered to follow up on a robbery nothing really happened. Me and the wife were coming home from a fancy dress New Years eve party. Strolling home hand in hand at about 3am we were rushed by about 15 black kids who pushed us into the bust stop and took my mobile before running off into Norbury park. Two stand out points. We were outside the now closed Norbury Police Station. And we were dressed and Sid Vicious and Nancy!
I went to the old bill station in South Norwood after reporting the assault by phone. I was asked to look at mug shots but to be honest I wouldn't have a clue what any of them looked like. I asked about the cctv cameras installed and was told that the footage was too "Grainy". Funny how whenever I get a ticket for doing 31 in a 30mph zone the footage isn't "Grainy" - why can't they use the same bloody cameras?
Anyway, got a call a few days later from a well meaning chap asking if I wanted to talk about being a victim of crime - I politely told him that having grown up in Norwood and Thornton Heath I was fully aware of the feelings of being a victim of crime and had come to terms with it in my own way!
I never received another word on the incident.
Contact the Tulse Hill Safer Neighbourhood Team on 020 8721 2624 or 07920 233838.
I was turfed out at Tulse Hill station last week as there was something wrong with the train. I have to say that I felt a bit apprehensive walking through the area, even if it was 7pm.
With regards to a possible reaction to the situation... It was obviously a crime so it should be reported. If the crime's not reported then senior police think everything's going well in Tulse Hill/West Norwood and they'll cut budget and/or police resources. Whether they actually react to the phone call is a different matter...
With regards to a possible reaction to the situation... It was obviously a crime so it should be reported. If the crime's not reported then senior police think everything's going well in Tulse Hill/West Norwood and they'll cut budget and/or police resources. Whether they actually react to the phone call is a different matter...
No harm in raising it with the police (although I personally would not have thought to do that if I was in your shoes at the time).
Also worth a short e-mail or letter to the local councillor and MP. They might have more collective clout with the police.
Also worth a short e-mail or letter to the local councillor and MP. They might have more collective clout with the police.
It's not just youths- it's the whole shooting match. There was an article about Mike Oldfield in last Sunday's Observer colour magazine about the "Thuggish" nature of Britain.
And some local colour: at Penge police station a couple of weeks ago (yes it is still open- but they're only searching for a "Suitable new site" (away from anyone's gaze and far far away).
I was hopign someone maybe had found my ring, but then I'm an optimist. There was another fellow in the window area trying to register his complaint. His neighbour had threatened to kill or seriously disfigure him, "not like last time, but this time for sure" The woman on the computer ( not a police woman, I presume) said "What do you want me to do about it?
The man then said "I want you to arrest him"
The woman then said "listen I'm calling it up now on the computer.... here it is- do you want me to add this to your other complaint?"
The man then said "I want you to arrest him, becasue he has threatened my very life, if not he will seriously endanger my life, or at best cut me up"
The woman then said" I'll enter it as another report, then, do you want me to do that?"
The man looked at me, then I at him, and there passed between us the look of ages.
The woman then addressed me and said "Is this going to be long, because this is going to take at least half an hour..."
And what's wrong with this country?........ Do we have enough time to discuss this?
And some local colour: at Penge police station a couple of weeks ago (yes it is still open- but they're only searching for a "Suitable new site" (away from anyone's gaze and far far away).
I was hopign someone maybe had found my ring, but then I'm an optimist. There was another fellow in the window area trying to register his complaint. His neighbour had threatened to kill or seriously disfigure him, "not like last time, but this time for sure" The woman on the computer ( not a police woman, I presume) said "What do you want me to do about it?
The man then said "I want you to arrest him"
The woman then said "listen I'm calling it up now on the computer.... here it is- do you want me to add this to your other complaint?"
The man then said "I want you to arrest him, becasue he has threatened my very life, if not he will seriously endanger my life, or at best cut me up"
The woman then said" I'll enter it as another report, then, do you want me to do that?"
The man looked at me, then I at him, and there passed between us the look of ages.
The woman then addressed me and said "Is this going to be long, because this is going to take at least half an hour..."
And what's wrong with this country?........ Do we have enough time to discuss this?
A similar incident happened on the N3 about 2am on Saturday. There was the usual screehing girls probably no more than 18. Didn't pay much attention as I was sitting near the middle on the top deck as 2 annoying blokes , again probably no more than 18 swigging Stella with one playing hardcore on his tinny phone. After a while I walked up & told him to please turn it down which he did but it was still audible & pissing off the whole top deck. At Brixton 3 more young girls got on & recognised the louder girls at the back. The 2 lads moved further down the bus & turned up the mobile again.By the time we got to Brockwell park all hell broke loose & they all set on some lone block,. He came running past to get off the bus followed by these feral girls He wasn't a small chap either.
I personally feel giving kids free oyster travel without having earned it & allows they to travel around the bus & train network has been a huge mistake. When I have the misfortune to get on the bus in the mornings there is at least one kid with his mobile blaring the same banal music with the rest of the school pushing onto the bus , most not even bothering to swipe there Oyster. The best TFL can do is waste hundreds of thousands of pounds on pointless adverts telling people to turn music down & respect other passengers. As if these people take any notice.
I personally feel giving kids free oyster travel without having earned it & allows they to travel around the bus & train network has been a huge mistake. When I have the misfortune to get on the bus in the mornings there is at least one kid with his mobile blaring the same banal music with the rest of the school pushing onto the bus , most not even bothering to swipe there Oyster. The best TFL can do is waste hundreds of thousands of pounds on pointless adverts telling people to turn music down & respect other passengers. As if these people take any notice.
I can't add much to this, except to say do report it to the police (for all the reasons mentioned). Last summer or the summer before, the centre of WN was made a 'dispersal zone' (or whatever the terminology was), which gave the police the power to tell youngsters to clear off if they were causing a nuisance. If you are going to contact councillors - and I think that is also worth doing, so that they are aware of the problems - it might be worth checking whether the dispersal powers are still in place and whether they extend to Tulse Hill.
Can I just add to the appeals to ring the police when this sort of thing happens? Just dial 999 immediately, and get them out to sort it. And call the SNT as well, so that they can send more patrols round the area. The SNT I dealt with in the past was quite helpful.
And Spoon, I know the graffiti you're talking about and the ignorance it shows really makes me sick too.
And Spoon, I know the graffiti you're talking about and the ignorance it shows really makes me sick too.
In the NHS there is a policy of "zero tolerance" and we are encouraged to call the police whenever any kind of behaviour becomes threatening or violent.
I would encourage anybody to employ the same policy on the streets of South London.
Unreported crime falls beneath the radar and yes whilst reported crime seems to fall beneath the radar sometimes, if you don't report it you can guarantee nothing will happen.
There is a small and shrinking part of me that, in being found in the scenario described, would have liked to have gone into the off licence, purchased 24 glass bottles of something, preferably pungent in aroma, and retaliated. But there you have the whole sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind thing...
I would encourage anybody to employ the same policy on the streets of South London.
Unreported crime falls beneath the radar and yes whilst reported crime seems to fall beneath the radar sometimes, if you don't report it you can guarantee nothing will happen.
There is a small and shrinking part of me that, in being found in the scenario described, would have liked to have gone into the off licence, purchased 24 glass bottles of something, preferably pungent in aroma, and retaliated. But there you have the whole sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind thing...
You did the right thing, drawing more attention to yourself when you can't be sure of being backed up by others is dangerous and these little scrotes don't like being dissed. With knives and all that sort its dangerous to take it up with them.. Look at the guy that was killed in CP last year - murdered because he complained when a youth chucked rubbish in his open car window.
HG - The dispersal order ran out long ago.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4683123.stm & I don't really think just banning people is the right way either..
Last week I (with Mrs Mattylad) saw a group of 3/4 kids walk into Somerfield and start beating up one of the staff in there.. It was a full on ruckus, stuff chucked about and broken - all in all pretty darn scary esp as we had to walk back past them outside.
I don't know what makes people act so poorly to others (lack of parenting, poverty, crap houses & low educational expectations are probably key) but I don't see how when these kids seem to want is to be famous for singing like the Xfactah or infamous for causing trouble - a single person's intervention on the street can be of benefit.
HG - The dispersal order ran out long ago.. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/4683123.stm & I don't really think just banning people is the right way either..
Last week I (with Mrs Mattylad) saw a group of 3/4 kids walk into Somerfield and start beating up one of the staff in there.. It was a full on ruckus, stuff chucked about and broken - all in all pretty darn scary esp as we had to walk back past them outside.
I don't know what makes people act so poorly to others (lack of parenting, poverty, crap houses & low educational expectations are probably key) but I don't see how when these kids seem to want is to be famous for singing like the Xfactah or infamous for causing trouble - a single person's intervention on the street can be of benefit.
First They Came for the Jews
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
'Nuff said.
First they came for the Jews
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for the Communists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a Communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists
and I did not speak out
because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for me
and there was no one left
to speak out for me.
Pastor Martin Niemöller
'Nuff said.
Thanks for all your thoughts. Not sure what relevance the poem has to this situation though?
I called the Tulse Hill help line thingy yesterday and got an answerphone recording. Left a long message about both incidents and my mobile number. Haven't heard anything yet...
On a more positive note - had a lovely meal last night in Lancasters and Mrs superal11 put a few things into persepective. She (quite rightly) pointed out all the good stuff that happens around us and that there are plenty of decent folk in our community from all ages, creeds and colours who we get on very well with and look out for. Sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees as they say.
One negative experience seems to stay with you far more than all the positive ones. Note to self - Must do better.
I called the Tulse Hill help line thingy yesterday and got an answerphone recording. Left a long message about both incidents and my mobile number. Haven't heard anything yet...
On a more positive note - had a lovely meal last night in Lancasters and Mrs superal11 put a few things into persepective. She (quite rightly) pointed out all the good stuff that happens around us and that there are plenty of decent folk in our community from all ages, creeds and colours who we get on very well with and look out for. Sometimes you can't see the wood for the trees as they say.
One negative experience seems to stay with you far more than all the positive ones. Note to self - Must do better.
QUOTE(superal11 @ Mar 6 2008, 11:45 AM) 
Thanks for all your thoughts. Not sure what relevance the poem has to this situation though?
I took the relevance to be that a line in the sand needs to be drawn. If we accept the gradual erosion of our quality of life then it'll be too late to turn the tide; and also that adopting an 'its not my problem' approach will mean that no one will be there to help when it is your problem.
Basically, do what you've done and report it.
Call Safer Neighbourhoods
They have been really helpful. I had a problem with gangs congregating opposite my house. The police basically hung around them for a few weeks until they moved on completely and also wrote to the council about the problem of them hanging about in the playground. it all worked. they stopped!
This week, I emailed the safer neighbourhoods team at knights hill about my house being targeted by stonethrowing. i was getting frightened - I emailed them monday at 7.30pm - and they popped round at 11am the next day to check to see what the problem was. they made me feel a lot safer and i got a full nights sleep for the first time in a couple of weeks. I thought i might be the victim of potential burglars, but we worked out they were using my garden as a shortcut to get to the railway.
the safer neighbourhood teams are more focused on individual issues. email them everytime something happens!!! it does work.
I feel very safe in west norwood. but it is up to us to keep it that way - the coppers need to know. throwiing bottles and coins isnt acceptable and they will act if they know its concentrated in a particular area.
They have been really helpful. I had a problem with gangs congregating opposite my house. The police basically hung around them for a few weeks until they moved on completely and also wrote to the council about the problem of them hanging about in the playground. it all worked. they stopped!
This week, I emailed the safer neighbourhoods team at knights hill about my house being targeted by stonethrowing. i was getting frightened - I emailed them monday at 7.30pm - and they popped round at 11am the next day to check to see what the problem was. they made me feel a lot safer and i got a full nights sleep for the first time in a couple of weeks. I thought i might be the victim of potential burglars, but we worked out they were using my garden as a shortcut to get to the railway.
the safer neighbourhood teams are more focused on individual issues. email them everytime something happens!!! it does work.
I feel very safe in west norwood. but it is up to us to keep it that way - the coppers need to know. throwiing bottles and coins isnt acceptable and they will act if they know its concentrated in a particular area.
I posted the poem in response to the last line of the post above mine:
I agree that you did the right thing. Report, report, report. And, I agree with your other half: Illegitimi non carborundum!
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I don't see how when these kids seem to want is to be famous for singing like the Xfactah or infamous for causing trouble - a single person's intervention on the street can be of benefit.
I agree that you did the right thing. Report, report, report. And, I agree with your other half: Illegitimi non carborundum!
Thanks GillW, makes perfect sense now. Had my stupid hat on!
It's actually the Thurlow Park SNT you need to call. Sergeant Andy Scott leads the team. Their office is at 186 Norwood Rd. Phone numbers are 08026 492 366 or 07920 233 843. Over the past six months there's been a concerted effort from the council, police and ASBO team to sort out any persistent issues in the Tulse Hill station area. This resulted in a few operations by the police and local residents coming together to clean up the area, meet each other in order to support each other when this type of nuisance behaviour arises. You can also contact Lambeth's ASBO Coordinator on 020 7926 1164 to report the problem. Unless people actually flag up the problems with the relevant authorities then nothing gets done.
Thanks for highlighting these issues on this forum. As a local resident of the Tulse Hill station area I will be keeping a vigilent eye out for young people engaging in this type of behaviour and backing up your concerns.
My husband had an encounter with a youth outside Natwest a few months ago who brushed past his neck with a glass bottle in an intimidating fashion. He stood up for himself with words along the lines of 'wrong bloke, mate' and the young man backed off. It's up to the community to set boundaries for these young people and that includes us not just the police and the council (although I am not advocating saying anything directly to young people if you do not feel confident to do so).
Thanks for highlighting these issues on this forum. As a local resident of the Tulse Hill station area I will be keeping a vigilent eye out for young people engaging in this type of behaviour and backing up your concerns.
My husband had an encounter with a youth outside Natwest a few months ago who brushed past his neck with a glass bottle in an intimidating fashion. He stood up for himself with words along the lines of 'wrong bloke, mate' and the young man backed off. It's up to the community to set boundaries for these young people and that includes us not just the police and the council (although I am not advocating saying anything directly to young people if you do not feel confident to do so).
I find the view of lucy smith to be of a very taxing nature. The policies of our present police service have in effect taken away in many cases the indervidual rights of a police officer to make a decision on the spot. Acusations of a certain type almost force the police to arrest and then investigate almost all allagations if it the acsation is of a racial nature.
I have witnessed some of the results of this both in Police stations and in A&E as young people know exctly how to use the system to there advantage. Making false acsations against adults which have resuted in adults who have done nothing more than a few chosen words of wisdom being arrested and then spending hours in the police station to explain followed by weeks of not knowing if they are to charged and taken to court causing huge concerns and dissrution to inocent people lives. Only to recieve a letter saying no further action will be taken.
To me this has got some of the balances wrong and is part of a much deeper subject as to which system of dealing with youth problems is right? I am not sure that our present policies are working well enough but other modles which work better simply will not get political support as " the usual suspect" will yell from the roof tops about victimisation
The issue over A&E is simple knife crime ( which is more of problem than gun crime but not quite so news worthy) can also be the result of quite natural intervention and fear or anger of anybody who is a victim of anti social behaviour - I my self hate this word as in truth it down grades what is criminal behaviour. If the same behaviour is done by a person over 18 it suddenly becomes a crime, what changes between 17 1/2 and 18?
Classic police advice when faced with a situation like her husband is to remove your self from the situation and call the Police, at the same time they give medals or comendations to members of the public who have a go.
Our Judges on one hand stand up for the right to defend your self and I certainly woulfd feel in right to defend ny self with a glass bottle to me neck yet many people who do this end in prison. I even know of a case where there was a not gulity view of the jury of GBH in defending himself against 7 youths attacking him but was found gulty of using racist language whilst under attackand got 3 months for a first ever offence ( later reduced upkn appeal but too late by then)- not even a driving offence. He lost his job his professional carea yet the youths only got a slap on the wrist ( two were in breesch of ther ASBO)
This all seems crazy to me
Pehaps lucy's idea is right that we should all stand together but would we now run the risk of being acused of being viglanties? for that is what has happened in the USA when they got there youth policies wrong and reading the Pitt report from lambeth either the policies are just plainly wrong or there is just not enough implimentation. certainlyif the Pitt report is correct the future is very bleak.
For once a very worried person as my years of invlolment with our crime fighters which is wider than the police alone is that each agency has had a point of view - stuck to it even if it is viewd as failling as this save face in our ever PR driven world. and most refuse to look at the evidence of what works in other parts of the country let alone outside the bounds of the UK as kit is almost an admittance they they do not know what they are talking about.
I have witnessed some of the results of this both in Police stations and in A&E as young people know exctly how to use the system to there advantage. Making false acsations against adults which have resuted in adults who have done nothing more than a few chosen words of wisdom being arrested and then spending hours in the police station to explain followed by weeks of not knowing if they are to charged and taken to court causing huge concerns and dissrution to inocent people lives. Only to recieve a letter saying no further action will be taken.
To me this has got some of the balances wrong and is part of a much deeper subject as to which system of dealing with youth problems is right? I am not sure that our present policies are working well enough but other modles which work better simply will not get political support as " the usual suspect" will yell from the roof tops about victimisation
The issue over A&E is simple knife crime ( which is more of problem than gun crime but not quite so news worthy) can also be the result of quite natural intervention and fear or anger of anybody who is a victim of anti social behaviour - I my self hate this word as in truth it down grades what is criminal behaviour. If the same behaviour is done by a person over 18 it suddenly becomes a crime, what changes between 17 1/2 and 18?
Classic police advice when faced with a situation like her husband is to remove your self from the situation and call the Police, at the same time they give medals or comendations to members of the public who have a go.
Our Judges on one hand stand up for the right to defend your self and I certainly woulfd feel in right to defend ny self with a glass bottle to me neck yet many people who do this end in prison. I even know of a case where there was a not gulity view of the jury of GBH in defending himself against 7 youths attacking him but was found gulty of using racist language whilst under attackand got 3 months for a first ever offence ( later reduced upkn appeal but too late by then)- not even a driving offence. He lost his job his professional carea yet the youths only got a slap on the wrist ( two were in breesch of ther ASBO)
This all seems crazy to me
Pehaps lucy's idea is right that we should all stand together but would we now run the risk of being acused of being viglanties? for that is what has happened in the USA when they got there youth policies wrong and reading the Pitt report from lambeth either the policies are just plainly wrong or there is just not enough implimentation. certainlyif the Pitt report is correct the future is very bleak.
For once a very worried person as my years of invlolment with our crime fighters which is wider than the police alone is that each agency has had a point of view - stuck to it even if it is viewd as failling as this save face in our ever PR driven world. and most refuse to look at the evidence of what works in other parts of the country let alone outside the bounds of the UK as kit is almost an admittance they they do not know what they are talking about.
All the excuses and understanding are on the side of the villain. Even the police apologise for the situation!. My friend's son was arrested on his 21st birthday, missing the expensive dinner that his mother had booked for him. All he did was this; a thirteen year old black boy stood with his bike in front of their car (her mother driving) stopping them from parking. My friends's son's girlfriend said to my son what an idiot. When they got out of the car the thirteen year old lunged at her. My friend's son stepped in front of him but as he was young he didn't hit him, he just put his hand up and stopped him saying look just go away mate.
The boy stumbled back and fell over a low fence, At this point the mother of the boy turned up and started to scream racist abuse at my friend's son and girl. She was saying that he didn't know who he was dealing with and that he was dead. My son's girl rang the police who came and arrested my son! He spent all aftermnoon and evening of his 21st in the police station. He was told that the boy was accusing him of racial abuse. We said that in that case we wanted him charged with racial abuse. In fact the only racial abuse that had taken place was from the boy and his mother to my friend's son! The police said that they would not follow it up as it would not go anywhere. My friend's son had to wait two weeks to find out if the charge against him of racial abuse was going ahead. The way we are being forced to live in this country right now is ridiculous. We are being forced to pay for villains to laugh at us. We must be the laughing stock of the world. Any parent knows that if you constantly excuse your child's behaviour. they will become spoilt. The villains have access to so many excuses now that we can't punish them properly. We have to stamp hard on the small things not give them excuses.
The boy stumbled back and fell over a low fence, At this point the mother of the boy turned up and started to scream racist abuse at my friend's son and girl. She was saying that he didn't know who he was dealing with and that he was dead. My son's girl rang the police who came and arrested my son! He spent all aftermnoon and evening of his 21st in the police station. He was told that the boy was accusing him of racial abuse. We said that in that case we wanted him charged with racial abuse. In fact the only racial abuse that had taken place was from the boy and his mother to my friend's son! The police said that they would not follow it up as it would not go anywhere. My friend's son had to wait two weeks to find out if the charge against him of racial abuse was going ahead. The way we are being forced to live in this country right now is ridiculous. We are being forced to pay for villains to laugh at us. We must be the laughing stock of the world. Any parent knows that if you constantly excuse your child's behaviour. they will become spoilt. The villains have access to so many excuses now that we can't punish them properly. We have to stamp hard on the small things not give them excuses.
Slightly off topic?!! Not sure what relevance this post has to the actual topic at all.
And, if someone chooses to give blood (which is actually relatively rare in the black community, despite needing blood donors) then all blood is tested anyway before use, so I'm not sure how this is "abusing the system".
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And, if someone chooses to give blood (which is actually relatively rare in the black community, despite needing blood donors) then all blood is tested anyway before use, so I'm not sure how this is "abusing the system".
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A few month's ago I was cycling up Knight's Hill. There was a group of 7 or 8 13-15 year olds at the bus stop on the left going uphill. They threw a coin or what could have been a small rock at me. I got off my bike and challenged them at which point they said that they had been throwing something at each other and missed. I got back on my bike and was going around the corner when they threw another rock that hit a road sign beside me. I went back to confront the group again and a passer by also became engaged. I assumed initially that she was helping and seemed to know one of the boys. It was all becoming a bit heated when I spotted a squad car. I flagged down the police and and they stopped. As the policeman was getting out of the car a number of the boys started to run off. I shouted for them to stay where they were. The cop asked what the problem was and I said that the kids had been throwing stones at me, at which point the woman passer-by, who I had assumed was attempting to assist, turned on me and started screaming that I was lying, they were throwing pebbles apparently, not stones. She was really going off the deep end and of course the kids were denying everything.
The cops response to all this was to start shouting at the woman to shut up, several times, and then shouted to the kids, who were already skulking off, to go away. He repeatedly shouted "go away" until they had all left. He then turned to me and said "okay?" as if I had inconvenienced him. I was pretty shocked to be honest so didn't say anything. Just shurgged and got back on my bike.
I would have thought as someone standing up to an obvious display of loutishness and disregard for people going about their day would have been backed up a bit more substantially by the police. I expected the police officer to take the kids names and say he would be watching them from now on, but nothing of the sort. Merely screaming at them insanely, hardly a great role model. How are normal citizens expected to stand up to this kind of behaviour when the police themselves could clearly care less. This has been about the 3rd incident this year where I've been threatend by a group of teenagers (bottle thrown at me on a train for no reason and also attacked at 5-aside football in Brixton). In none of these cases have any of the other adults present (either passengers or those in authority) stood up and supported me. I'm going to continue to refuse to be bullied but it would be nice to have some support. Incidentally, I have just come back from New York where there are many problems but at least you get the feeling that people would support you if you were being threatend or assualted and not just look the other way!
The cops response to all this was to start shouting at the woman to shut up, several times, and then shouted to the kids, who were already skulking off, to go away. He repeatedly shouted "go away" until they had all left. He then turned to me and said "okay?" as if I had inconvenienced him. I was pretty shocked to be honest so didn't say anything. Just shurgged and got back on my bike.
I would have thought as someone standing up to an obvious display of loutishness and disregard for people going about their day would have been backed up a bit more substantially by the police. I expected the police officer to take the kids names and say he would be watching them from now on, but nothing of the sort. Merely screaming at them insanely, hardly a great role model. How are normal citizens expected to stand up to this kind of behaviour when the police themselves could clearly care less. This has been about the 3rd incident this year where I've been threatend by a group of teenagers (bottle thrown at me on a train for no reason and also attacked at 5-aside football in Brixton). In none of these cases have any of the other adults present (either passengers or those in authority) stood up and supported me. I'm going to continue to refuse to be bullied but it would be nice to have some support. Incidentally, I have just come back from New York where there are many problems but at least you get the feeling that people would support you if you were being threatend or assualted and not just look the other way!
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