Hi
a letter has come through my door from Lambeth planning dept about a proposal to build a cash and carry on Knights Hill - next to the Big Yellow. There is a green site there that is the site of the old Lambeth college. Obviously we are going to oppose it - as the last thing we need on this road is another big industrial site, and extra traffic. We already have the big yellow and the bus garage at the bottom of the hill.
I am also pregnant - as is my next door neighbour - so the last thing we want is more noise and lorries right opposite our houses.
If anyone else fancies putting their names up in opposition, that would be great - get some people power going!
The complaints can be made to :
Lambeth Planning
phoenix House
10 Wandsworth Road
London
SW8 2LL
or email lambethplanning@lambeth.gov.uk
Name of project is "Site of Lambeth College, Knights Hill, London" applicant Mr Rahul Desai
Full Version: New cash and carry proposed on Knights Hill
This is very interesting - I live off Chapel Road, which forms one side of the boundary of the site, and I've received nothing from Lambeth. But I'm not surprised - some years ago we received a letter re siting of mobile phone masts in Chapel Road which arrived after said masts had been erected. I also recall the debate over Big Yellow, with the Council stipulating that planning permission would only be agreed if a sports facility could be incorporated on site - am still waiting for that to happen...........
well, I am sure that they will get round it - Doesn't lifting boxes into you car from the Cash & Carry count as physical exercise 
Hi Christine - yes this letter says that they are planning a community hall as part of the cash and carry, which I am sure would also never appear.
Why cant we get a nice swimming pool or a garden centre instead!
Why cant we get a nice swimming pool or a garden centre instead!
Hi Treacletoes, do you by any chance have the reference no. of the application? I've tried going on Lambeth's website and it's proving extremely difficult to find (not that I'm surprised!). I feel like a letter to Tessa may be coming on.....
No planning application number on letter.
The letter reference was "08/01231/OUT/DC_AKO/" with regards to the "Site of Lambeth College Knights Hill London", Applicant: Mr Rahul Desai
Hello all
we got another letter over the weekend about the cash and carry proposal.
The details are here: http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/publicacces...o=JYSQYRBO0AY00
I didnt seem to be able to download any of the documents tho, but they are available at the library.
The plans have apparently been revised - but still propose a 3-4 storey cash and carry building - with large delivery trucks using the Knights Hill entranceand public going in from Chapel road. The "community hall" part of it will apparently be used for badmington and basketball and wedding receptions!
Plan number is 08/01231
You can email Labour Councillor Jackie Meldrum - jmeldrum@lambeth.gov.uk
Please try and register your complaints if you disapprove - these kind of things are going to turn west norwood into an industrial wasteland instead of a nice residential area!
good luck!
we got another letter over the weekend about the cash and carry proposal.
The details are here: http://planning.lambeth.gov.uk/publicacces...o=JYSQYRBO0AY00
I didnt seem to be able to download any of the documents tho, but they are available at the library.
The plans have apparently been revised - but still propose a 3-4 storey cash and carry building - with large delivery trucks using the Knights Hill entranceand public going in from Chapel road. The "community hall" part of it will apparently be used for badmington and basketball and wedding receptions!
Plan number is 08/01231
You can email Labour Councillor Jackie Meldrum - jmeldrum@lambeth.gov.uk
Please try and register your complaints if you disapprove - these kind of things are going to turn west norwood into an industrial wasteland instead of a nice residential area!
good luck!
Without wishing to put the cat amongst the pigeons - I can't see anything wrong with them putting it there. Apart from the houses on one side of Chapel Road that whole area behind the site is pretty much industrial anyway - The site is currently a total mess with shabby looking hoardings and a recycling point that frequently has rubbish and dumped clothing strewn all over the place. In its current state it doesn't reflect a nice residential area, more a run down forgotten patch of wasteland
What is wrong with the community hall (not sure why there were quotation marks around the words in the last post) being used for badminton, basketball and wedding receptions - I thought that was what community halls were for? It's about time there were facilities that are accessible for everyone to play sports in SE27.
The only downside that I can see is Chapel Road's very narrow street becoming gridlocked, but as only one side is residential they could quite easily make one side residents parking and one side a no parking zone - Probably something that should happen regardless of whether this gets the go ahead or not, as the road is frequently blocked due to parking on both sides of the road.
What is wrong with the community hall (not sure why there were quotation marks around the words in the last post) being used for badminton, basketball and wedding receptions - I thought that was what community halls were for? It's about time there were facilities that are accessible for everyone to play sports in SE27.
The only downside that I can see is Chapel Road's very narrow street becoming gridlocked, but as only one side is residential they could quite easily make one side residents parking and one side a no parking zone - Probably something that should happen regardless of whether this gets the go ahead or not, as the road is frequently blocked due to parking on both sides of the road.
I'm sorry if you aren't aware of this treacletoes but the area is an important industrial zone.
The designation is marked on the map of the Lambeth Unitary Development Plan...
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/Housing...outhsection.htm
The text of the UDP is here...
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/Housing...entPlan2007.htm
There is special mention of this location under MDO43, p170
The general comments about West Norwood are in Policy 70, p168-169
With additional comments as follows:
The designation is marked on the map of the Lambeth Unitary Development Plan...
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/Housing...outhsection.htm
The text of the UDP is here...
http://www.lambeth.gov.uk/Services/Housing...entPlan2007.htm
There is special mention of this location under MDO43, p170
QUOTE
MDO 43 - Knights Hill - Former Lambeth College (Junction of Chapel Rd) - Area:
0.7 Ha
Development of a mix of employment or mixed employment/community use.
Development should have proper street frontages onto Knight’s Hill and Chapel
Road. Wider pavement on Knight’s Hill. Retention and restoration of cattle trough and
fountain.
0.7 Ha
Development of a mix of employment or mixed employment/community use.
Development should have proper street frontages onto Knight’s Hill and Chapel
Road. Wider pavement on Knight’s Hill. Retention and restoration of cattle trough and
fountain.
The general comments about West Norwood are in Policy 70, p168-169
QUOTE
Policy 70 West Norwood Commercial Area
In the West Norwood Commercial Area (defined as a KIBA on the Proposals
Map between Knights Hill and the railway) the regeneration of commercial and
business premises, and improvement of the environment, is promoted and
supported. In addition to employment uses, non-intensive leisure uses
appropriate to an edge of centre location are permitted.
Employment uses and/or generated traffic (in particular specific uses within the
B2 use class) should not have an unacceptable impact on nearby residential
amenity.
Measures to reduce traffic conflict, improve access roads and better control on-
street parking will be introduced, together with public realm improvements and
better interchange, walking/cycling facilities.
The comprehensive redevelopment of the MDOs below will be supported to
improve access and servicing and to consolidate sites to create larger sites
more suitable for a range of potential occupiers.
Residential is only permitted as part of the redevelopment or re-use of former
shops on Norwood High Street, as part of mixed use schemes where the
ground floor and at least 30% of the gross floor area is employment use
(including the work element of work-live schemes). Loss of ground floor shops
to other commercial uses with active frontages is permitted. Older buildings of
merit on the High Street should be retained.
In the West Norwood Commercial Area (defined as a KIBA on the Proposals
Map between Knights Hill and the railway) the regeneration of commercial and
business premises, and improvement of the environment, is promoted and
supported. In addition to employment uses, non-intensive leisure uses
appropriate to an edge of centre location are permitted.
Employment uses and/or generated traffic (in particular specific uses within the
B2 use class) should not have an unacceptable impact on nearby residential
amenity.
Measures to reduce traffic conflict, improve access roads and better control on-
street parking will be introduced, together with public realm improvements and
better interchange, walking/cycling facilities.
The comprehensive redevelopment of the MDOs below will be supported to
improve access and servicing and to consolidate sites to create larger sites
more suitable for a range of potential occupiers.
Residential is only permitted as part of the redevelopment or re-use of former
shops on Norwood High Street, as part of mixed use schemes where the
ground floor and at least 30% of the gross floor area is employment use
(including the work element of work-live schemes). Loss of ground floor shops
to other commercial uses with active frontages is permitted. Older buildings of
merit on the High Street should be retained.
With additional comments as follows:
QUOTE
5.10.2. West Norwood Commercial Area, in the southeast of the borough, has for
many years been promoted specifically for industrial and business development. It
has a variety of land uses with a predominance of industry. It is the largest such area
in the borough.
5.10.3. Many of the shops along Norwood High Street are derelict or vacant, or
appear so but have businesses behind. The southern end of Norwood High Street is
developing its own character as a separate local shopping centre.
5.10.4. Whilst the Council has successfully helped create a larger and mixed
industrial area, with a cluster of printing industries, there are pressures from
developers to redevelop industrial land and premises in the area for other uses,
particularly housing. The Council has prepared a regeneration strategy for the area
which suggests that the majority of firms want to stay and invest in the area, though
there are difficulties in finding sites to expand into and problems with on-street car
parking and service access.
5.10.5. Because it has a mixed use character on the High Street and edge of centre
location, a wider range of uses than elsewhere is permissible. Residential
development throughout the area, however, could prejudice its future as an industrial
and business area and bring traffic and amenity conflicts.
many years been promoted specifically for industrial and business development. It
has a variety of land uses with a predominance of industry. It is the largest such area
in the borough.
5.10.3. Many of the shops along Norwood High Street are derelict or vacant, or
appear so but have businesses behind. The southern end of Norwood High Street is
developing its own character as a separate local shopping centre.
5.10.4. Whilst the Council has successfully helped create a larger and mixed
industrial area, with a cluster of printing industries, there are pressures from
developers to redevelop industrial land and premises in the area for other uses,
particularly housing. The Council has prepared a regeneration strategy for the area
which suggests that the majority of firms want to stay and invest in the area, though
there are difficulties in finding sites to expand into and problems with on-street car
parking and service access.
5.10.5. Because it has a mixed use character on the High Street and edge of centre
location, a wider range of uses than elsewhere is permissible. Residential
development throughout the area, however, could prejudice its future as an industrial
and business area and bring traffic and amenity conflicts.
Thanks for the info - I have had correspondence from jackie Meldrum to this effect.
The reason I am sceptical about a"community hall" is that developers often claim to do something like this so that planning applicaitons get agreed.
They are approving it anyway - so there is nothing we can do.
I guess the focus has to be now on supporting the future plans for the centre of WN
The reason I am sceptical about a"community hall" is that developers often claim to do something like this so that planning applicaitons get agreed.
They are approving it anyway - so there is nothing we can do.
I guess the focus has to be now on supporting the future plans for the centre of WN
Was it approved?
Hi Knightshiller : this is the reply I received from Jackie Meldrum
Caroline
We are consulting local people on a master plan for West Norwood covering the area between Tulse Hill station and Chapel Rd in July. Norwood is an important part of Lambeth for families and we are looking carefully at more leisure facilities in the area. I hope you can attend some of these events which will be considering exactly the points you mention.
Workshops
• Thursday 17 July, 7pm to 9.30pm Nettlefold Hall, West Norwood Library,
• Saturday 2 August, 2pm to 4.30pm 1 Norwood High Street , London SE27
Roadshows
• Saturday 19 July and Sunday 20 July Lambeth Country Show, Brockwell Park
• Saturday 2 August, 10am to 12.30pm Farmer's market, Norwood Road , SE27
Exhibition
• Monday 14 July – Saturday 31 August West Norwood Library
(during normal library opening hours).
The planning application for the corner of Knights Hill & Chapel Rd falls within the boundaries of the Key Industrial Business Area (KIBA) in West Norwood and the proposals provide a mix of employment and community use so the application is in accordance with Lambeth’s planning policies. The application has been deferred twice in the past by the Planning Committee to look at transport issues – these are in the process of being resolved so the planning application is likely to be agreed towards the end of July.
Jackie
Caroline
We are consulting local people on a master plan for West Norwood covering the area between Tulse Hill station and Chapel Rd in July. Norwood is an important part of Lambeth for families and we are looking carefully at more leisure facilities in the area. I hope you can attend some of these events which will be considering exactly the points you mention.
Workshops
• Thursday 17 July, 7pm to 9.30pm Nettlefold Hall, West Norwood Library,
• Saturday 2 August, 2pm to 4.30pm 1 Norwood High Street , London SE27
Roadshows
• Saturday 19 July and Sunday 20 July Lambeth Country Show, Brockwell Park
• Saturday 2 August, 10am to 12.30pm Farmer's market, Norwood Road , SE27
Exhibition
• Monday 14 July – Saturday 31 August West Norwood Library
(during normal library opening hours).
The planning application for the corner of Knights Hill & Chapel Rd falls within the boundaries of the Key Industrial Business Area (KIBA) in West Norwood and the proposals provide a mix of employment and community use so the application is in accordance with Lambeth’s planning policies. The application has been deferred twice in the past by the Planning Committee to look at transport issues – these are in the process of being resolved so the planning application is likely to be agreed towards the end of July.
Jackie
I am pregnant and also live directly opposite the site. I see the blue boards from bedroom window. It is already extremely noisy and I am concerned about further noise!!!! It is an eyesore and I do agree somethin needs to be done. Just not sure about what the plannin is for and the change in access.
The Planning Committee is to hear the application on this Wednesday 23rd July at 7pm in Room 8, Brixton Town Hall. If you have views, do attend the meeting.
The main objections are traffic generation due to the proposed cash and carry, and the community hall, in an accident black spot area, and nuisance due to big functions in the community hall.
There have been a great many accidents on this spot of Knight's Hill, of which 13 in the 3 year period to May 2006 resulted in casualties. 11 of the 13 were connected to vehicles turning on or off this part of Knight’s Hill. Last year, for instance, a West Norwood fireman, Paul Brown, cycling to work (as Cashco staff will be commended to) was in collision with a Lambeth dust cart that turned across his path and was dead at the scene. No vehicle, particularly cyclists, can stop quickly on a 1 in 10 descent. Fortunately paramedics resuscitated him but he suffered the most severe and extensive injuries from which he will never fully recover.
This plan would add vastly to the number of turns, with at times well over 100 vehicles per hour turning on or off Knight’s Hill at the steepest, most dangerous spot. Even more if Cashco’s business grows as they undoubtedly would like. An increase in accidents on this busy 1 in 10 hill would be inevitable with, on occasion, injury, or even death.
Council officers have proposed some road changes, such as speed cusions on Knight's Hill but these will not erradicate the danger. Unsatisfactory junctions, etc exist for historic reasons. Planning Control surely exists to prevent new ones being created.
There are other issues, but in my mind the above is the most important.
The main objections are traffic generation due to the proposed cash and carry, and the community hall, in an accident black spot area, and nuisance due to big functions in the community hall.
There have been a great many accidents on this spot of Knight's Hill, of which 13 in the 3 year period to May 2006 resulted in casualties. 11 of the 13 were connected to vehicles turning on or off this part of Knight’s Hill. Last year, for instance, a West Norwood fireman, Paul Brown, cycling to work (as Cashco staff will be commended to) was in collision with a Lambeth dust cart that turned across his path and was dead at the scene. No vehicle, particularly cyclists, can stop quickly on a 1 in 10 descent. Fortunately paramedics resuscitated him but he suffered the most severe and extensive injuries from which he will never fully recover.
This plan would add vastly to the number of turns, with at times well over 100 vehicles per hour turning on or off Knight’s Hill at the steepest, most dangerous spot. Even more if Cashco’s business grows as they undoubtedly would like. An increase in accidents on this busy 1 in 10 hill would be inevitable with, on occasion, injury, or even death.
Council officers have proposed some road changes, such as speed cusions on Knight's Hill but these will not erradicate the danger. Unsatisfactory junctions, etc exist for historic reasons. Planning Control surely exists to prevent new ones being created.
There are other issues, but in my mind the above is the most important.
Update:
This evening Lambeth Planning Committee refused the planning application for the cash and carry and community hall. I believe the reasons were: excessive traffic generation in conjunction with increased risk of road accidents in this accident prone area; disturbance to the community (7am to midnight weekdays, slightly different weekends and bank holidays); and appearance of the building (which interestingly residents didn't speak out on). There were several other areas of concern.
Incidentally, the primary use of the community hall would not have been for local use.
Maybe there will be an appeal... However, we hope for a new plan that everyone can support.
This evening Lambeth Planning Committee refused the planning application for the cash and carry and community hall. I believe the reasons were: excessive traffic generation in conjunction with increased risk of road accidents in this accident prone area; disturbance to the community (7am to midnight weekdays, slightly different weekends and bank holidays); and appearance of the building (which interestingly residents didn't speak out on). There were several other areas of concern.
Incidentally, the primary use of the community hall would not have been for local use.
Maybe there will be an appeal... However, we hope for a new plan that everyone can support.
Are there any further plans for the use of the space now? The cynic in me guesses it will be used for "luxury" flats, because more housing is just what we need 
Thanks for the update Rob A - that is fantastic news - the traffic is a real problem - and cars speed along chapel rd and down Knights hill like rally cars!
I had resigned myself to it going through as that is what Jackie Meldrum was indicating in her letter.
I dont mind luxury flats - a park would be best - but that is wishful thinking!
I had resigned myself to it going through as that is what Jackie Meldrum was indicating in her letter.
I dont mind luxury flats - a park would be best - but that is wishful thinking!
Hi
In Lambeth's Unitary Development Plan, this site is in a Key Industrial Business Area, so residential development cannot presently happen. However, the Masterplan (that every household is supposed to have recently received a survey for), is all about deciding future policy. If you have views, contribute!
Many people are in favour of keeping industrial use as a source of local employment. From Wednesday's planning decision, it is now unlikely that it could be a plan that generates a lot of traffic.
In Lambeth's Unitary Development Plan, this site is in a Key Industrial Business Area, so residential development cannot presently happen. However, the Masterplan (that every household is supposed to have recently received a survey for), is all about deciding future policy. If you have views, contribute!
Many people are in favour of keeping industrial use as a source of local employment. From Wednesday's planning decision, it is now unlikely that it could be a plan that generates a lot of traffic.
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