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#31 Norwood lad

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Posted 12 September 2013 - 01:43 PM

You know the thing I hate most about Lidl- The endless rows of Crisps, you can’t move for em.

 

Once the kiddies find out and have navigated the lethal roads they will be onto them like Bees to Honey. Think of the healthy kebab shops and takeaways that will go out of business. Bloody Selfish B*stards Lidl! :(

 

 

http://www.ipetition...-in-crown-lane/

 

ANTI LIDL SUPERMARKET IN CROWN LANE
The Petition

Crown Lane SW16 and Beulah Hill sit within the Conservation Area of Norwood Grove.
A Lidl supermarket is proposed in the confluence of Beulah hill and Crown Lane.
There is already a Tesco Express just opposite the proposed Lidl site in a non-conservation area. Next to it is a Building company called GNK builders. Both off load and load at peak hours creating a monstrous traffic every day on Crown Lane.
There are plenty of other small grocers in Crown Point and most have their entire families working there and living closeby. The Lidl will kill their livelihoods.
There are already Kebab and fast food shops for local school children as there are 4 schools all within walking distance of Crown Point. Lidl does not propose and fresh food just cheap crisps etc. as if we do not have an obesity crisis as it is.
There are also two bus stops on Beulah Hill going down to Knights hill both within a 3 minute walk as such CROWN POINT IS VERY CONGESTED as it is!!!
WE do not need LIDL BECAUSE OF CONSERVATION< INCREASE IN TRAFFIC, LOSS TO LOCAL JOBS, UNHEALTHY FOOD and a total non-enhancement of our local environment affecting our homes and estates.



#32 belli

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 07:27 AM

Can we petition for skunkworks to move up there too?

#33 Jens

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 08:05 AM

Can we petition for skunkworks to move up there too?

 

hahaha! Imagine which reaction this would bring.



#34 happystar

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 11:08 AM

Tut tut....again way off track for a :
Petition Against Lidl at Crown Point.

For those of us that do not know what 'Skunkworks' is...i have googled it...and it appears to be a 'legal high' supply shop located on Annerley Hill.

It would help readers to stay on the same forum path..rather than trying to promote some of the stuff that some members seem to be on...:-)

#35 Jens

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 12:19 PM

Tut tut....again way off track for a :
Petition Against Lidl at Crown Point.

For those of us that do not know what 'Skunkworks' is...i have googled it...and it appears to be a 'legal high' supply shop located on Annerley Hill.

It would help readers to stay on the same forum path..rather than trying to promote some of the stuff that some members seem to be on...:-)

 

It would also help the discussion if you would interact with other peoples comments, and not simply ignore them, for example, relating traffic it has been mentioned:

"...if anything it [Lidl] should make traffic less of a nightmare. At present the nearest decent shops to Crown Point are a hilly mile away. With a new Lidl Store in this location many car journeys from Local residents could be avoided.

But posts you don't like you simply ignore, even if directed directly to you.

 

The question is though, what would you propose as a use for this site instead of Lidl ??

 

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#36 happystar

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 01:32 PM

It is very diificult as you know to "overpower" the readers mind to think like minded of your own thoughts.

The SAY NO TO LIDL is significant for many of the immeadiate residents to the location...aside the also standing small shops who have strived to continue ever since Tesco express came to the area (for those that dont know..again a vast petition was gathered at the time opposing Tesco).

The petition will gain momentum as the pace gathers...but the "lidl" circulation of notification appears to have "flown" over many roads in crown point and beulah hill..and targeted residents further afield such as streatham and west norwood, so most local residents dont have a clue on anything.

Getting back to original question:-

It is unlikely Lidl have any other interest...but if you dont battle against something you feel strongly against as a community then you lose out from the ofset.

Personally...the land is a difficult one as access / traffic is particularly "sensitive", and only those that live near and use crown point /knights hill junction frequently can understand its issues. I asked my local bus driver what the impact would be and the reply wasnt pleasant!

What i do know is that it definately should not be Lidl / supermarket for all that truely care about the area!

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:34 PM

But traffic is bad anywhere in London, I am very sure you will have to search for a long time till you find an area in London where the locals tell “traffic is no issue here at all, and you find parking easily 24 hours a day!”

As soon as it’s a main road, you’ll have congestion in rush hour.

Also, you mentioned it will be on average 400 extra cars per hour, could you specify where you have the figure from?

 

The proposed site is a car dealership, it’s a large site on a main road, this is exactly where a supermarket should be..

 

The only reason against Lidl I read on here which made sense is the question of the design, their stores are purely functional and practical. (very German) But I hope that, as it’s in an conservation area and as they also build flats on top of it, this particular store will be nicer than the usual ones.

 

Also, regarding your petition, one reason mentioned against Lidl is  “There are already Kebab and fast food shops for local school children” – Such reasoning makes it even for opponents of the Lidl development difficult to sign.



#38 Norwood lad

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 02:53 PM

Hard to keep track of all these Lidl threads.

 

This is a flats/supermarket combo they are building in Stockwell.

 

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#39 happystar

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 03:10 PM

Most car dealerships require 'A' road through put
..and not..and i state quite strongly not pedestrian footfall with a target audience of school children and localised residential areas. surrounded by parks ( streatham common / norwood grove etc).

As for the petition...again freedom of speech..
...and as you know very well yourself having set one up very quickly to counteract ones other !
So, sorry, not sure on content or whos compiled it..but good on them as they too are clearly Anti-Lidl for whatever reason and we are all for that!

There will be an official on-line petition soon i believe ....but until then those that are against it are being ask to write to the council direct.

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 06:16 PM

I think it's pretty clear that "happystar" (oh, the irony) and all the other logins he uses to agree with himself is the owner of one of the shops at Crown Point. 

 

The best thing we can all do is ignore him and his vaguely psychotic one-man crusade. 

 

I love the self-belief though. I'm expecting something next along the lines of "Yes, President Obama would disagree with the LIDL supermarket because crisps and fat children hit by buses". 

 

It's all rather sad. 



#41 stasi1

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Posted 13 September 2013 - 09:48 PM

Hard to keep track of all these Lidl threads.

 

This is a flats/supermarket combo they are building in Stockwell.

 

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Not a particularly inspiring design but for supermarkets to include flats above is an improvement on those that don't. Odd if that picture is supposed to illustrate a Stockwell store that they use a 38 bus that runs on a route from Victoria to Clapton Pond...maybe they just wanted to include a 'Boris Bus' - let's hope Lidl's store design is factually accurate.



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Posted 13 September 2013 - 11:49 PM

I live on the 'borderland' of Upper Norwood and Crown Point. I am working person and I do not drive. I do catch the bus to shop at Streatham Lidl though. It provides affordable food, and a lot of it fresh and decent quality. I am not in the best of health and it would be much better for me to shop at Lildl more locally. I say yes. 



#43 jannyjan

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Posted 21 September 2013 - 07:08 PM

I popped into Lidl's on Streatham High Road last week.  It wasn't exactly bursting at the seams with shoppers (no street drinkers or kids looking to binge on crisps).  It was actually a very pleasant shopping experience.  They have a quite a large car park, which had the grand total of 15 cars parked up...  I'm looking forward to the Store opening and have signed the 'for' petition.  It will be good to walk to the supermarket rather than drive and clog up the roads. 



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 08:18 PM

To me, the arguments being offered against Lidl seem fanciful, exaggerated, irrelevant to planning applications or all three.  I am in favour of it - not least because it may bring some more passing trade to the shops at Crown Point which seem under-utilised.



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Posted 21 September 2013 - 08:21 PM

Dear happystar,

 
While I appreciate the competitive advantage that multinationals may have over local independent store owners, I don't think that threatening residents with aggressive scare stories is the best way to win local support for your campaign against a Lidl store at Crown Point.
 
If, as you say, the proposed store will pose a 'threat' to local school children, may I ask why there have never been any petitions against the several artery-busting chicken and kebab shops that attract so much of their custom? If the proposed store will corrode the 'affluence' of the area, why do all the 'supermarkets' in Crown Point persist in selling those products which cater for the less well-off end of the spectrum, namely Tennents Super Strength, pot noodles and porn? And if you feel threatened by the arrival of such a store, why do you not ask yourself what might attract local residents to shop at such a store in the first place (for example organic fruit and vegetables, good coffee, well-priced household goods) and make the necessary amendments to your own offering?
 
As a local resident, I will continue to support the Crown Point shops that support me but not those that don't. That's how it works.
 
Thanks.