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[CPP Consultation]

Dear All,

As many of you are aware TfL have been running a consultation on the Croydon Tramlink Extension to Crystal Palace. This is separate to the LDA consultation on the future of the park. However, there is evidently lots of cross over between the TfL's proposals as it has an impact on the park and the surrounding area.

TFL have published the results of their consultation into Croydon Tramlink Extension to Crystal Palace.

http://www.tfl.gov.u...mlink/2061.aspx

They have not as yet reached a decision as to which option they would like to proceed with.

The Executive Summary can be found:

http://www.tfl.gov.u...ive_summary.pdf


A full copy of the report can be found:

http://www.tfl.gov.u...Full_report.pdf


For more information please contact: the Croydon Tramlink Extension team by:

Email: mailto:cteproject@tfl.gov.uk

Write to: Transport for London
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Telephone: 020 7126 3915

Regards,

Munish Chopra

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[Woodvale]

And now we're going to have to wait even longer! According to yesterday's Evening Standard, Crossrail is going to soak up all of TfL's budget for the next 11 years, so the Tramlink extension is now on ice, as is East London Line Phase 2 to Clapham Junction and the DLR extension to Dagenham, http://www.thisislon...ines/article.do.

The next tram to Croydon will be a little while yet - back to the 157 or the 410!

[Gipsy]

We'll be due another consultation by then !!

[Nick]

That article seems to extrapolate a lot from very little...

[Hedgehog11]

Tramlink Article


This article follows a similar vein, but in more detail just about the Tramlink extension to CP.


There is also an oppotunity to participate in an interesting debate should you wish

[Woodvale]

I didn't spot Nick's message at the time, otherwise I would have responded sooner.

I was at the IET (Institute of Engineering and Technology) Railway Network Annual Lecture given by Mike Brown, MD of London Overground, on Thursday 11th, the subject being Growing Capacity on London's Railways. Yes, Crossrail has been approved and will significantly improve the east-west transport flow through central London when it is open, as that is where new job opportunities are likely to grow - some 900K jobs over the next 10+ years. At the same time, the population of London is likely to grow by 1 Million, so transport is going to have to improve to move them all around, hence there are lots of plans to grow capacity and open new routes over that time, including the East London Line extension, extending trains and platforms on South-Eastern, Southern and South-West Trains to 10 or 12 coaches, the Thameslink 2000 scheme including a new Blackfriards station and changes to London Bridge.

Similarly, light rail systems such as Tramlink and Docklands Light Railway also need to grow, but there is only so much money that can be spent each year and, much more difficult to solve, only so many people with the necessary engineering skills that have to be spread among the projects underway, and the UK is light on people with those. ELLX and the other Overground improvements, plus Crossrail, alongside the Olympics, are going to absorb the funding and engineering capabilities in London during that time. Hence, other projects are going to have to be deferred, including the Crystal Palace extension of Tramlink, ELL Phase 2 to Clapham Junction, the Cross-River tram and the DLR extension to Dagenham.

The Standard article was reasonably accurate in that respect, but the plans for improving rail travel around London are impressive, long-overdue, but now starting to become a reality. Work has recently started on the fly-over to take north-bound ELLX trains over the National Rail lines from New Cross Gate onto the current East London Line tracks and is well-advanced at the northern end of the extension, but it is probable we won't see trams at the Parade for another 10 years yet.

Apologies for the long post, but I thought it worth it to share what Mike Brown was saying - from the horse's mouth, so-to-speak!

[phil solo]

A quick update on the delayed Tramlink extension - London Connections Blog is reporting that the March 2008 TfL Board Papers indicate the preferred route for the Crystal Palace extension won't be chosen until January 2009, a delay of approximately 12 months from the previously announced decision point.

[centralhilleagle]

Did anyone else get the Streets Ahead flyer at CP station this morning? It mentioned a public consultation about the proposed tram route to CP. Now correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't there already a public consultation on this?!

[Andy]

There was a public consultation held for this way back. Why are Streets Ahead saying there is going to be another one?

[Andy]

If you check out the Evening Standard today, it says that the proposed tram link extension to Crystal Palace has been axed, alongside a whole load of other London wide transport proposals!!

[phil solo]

TfL's statement is here - the Tramlink Extension and other dropped/delayed projects are referred to about half-way down the page.

TfL Press Release

[Spoon]

"A new focus on value for money" - but not for Palace!

But: "TfL will conduct a wider study involving the boroughs affected as part of the new sub-regional plans to assess the transport needs of this part of Outer London.

The Mayor has indicated that the recommendation from this study will form part of a future bid to Government."

[Retired Member 1]

I thought it was axed a while ago because of the Cross Rail that sucked all the moeny for other "secondary" developments

[gekko]

I'm not that surprised really and to be honest I always thought the Tramlink proposal was of limited benefit as there are already bus and train links with Croydon, albeit with room for improvement. Implementing it would have been very disruptive and I suspect that the study will conclude that transport in this area is better improved through bus services, upon which Boris seems very keen. Bus services are more flexible in terms of route and frequency.

I'm interested in this 'orbital express' bus service that is mentioned. Does anyone know anything more about likely routes for this?

[Spoon]

Non-stop round and round the M25.