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#16 Ziwa

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 05:54 PM

How about a poll as to how many CP people are members of the Picture House cinemas, or would be if one were closer? That might help start to convince the PH people, if they are even in the market for looking for a place to expand to.

Pity we can't get that nice old bookseller's building at the top of Gipsy Hill. Lovely old, odd building.

It has also always struck me as odd that the best view in London, from the top of the hill over the south of the city, is not capitalized on by businesses on the first or second floor. We could have a theatre on the street side, with a cafe overlooking the south view in one of those buildings along Westow Hill.

On parking, note that the suggestion of underground originated with Silver (or beyond) as a more global solution to the problem in the Triangle. I didn't suggest it for the cinema alone. But were it to happen, it might make expansion to the area more attractive to a business. True, we don't take the motor to the Ritzy, but sometimes we decide to go to Beckenham because we can drive, and it allows us to go home first, grab a bite, then catch a mooovie. I think the area that a CP theatre would draw from is less urban than Brixton and should include provision for people who are in the suburban mode.

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 06:10 PM

I'm a member of PH cinemas and to be honest, if there was one in CP I would probably still go to Brixton. I go to the Big Scream baby shows on a Friday morning and use the opportunity to also pick up supplies in Mothercare and Woolies (Brixton's Woolies is a big one, smaller ones don't hold big enough stock ranges). If I went to CP I'd have to make another trip out, so no wouldn't use it.

And I don't think the area needs more cars, less would be better...

#18 Paul.W

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 07:31 PM

I'm a PH member and would love to see a cinema in Crystal Palace and would certainly be a regular customer. Is car parking such a big issue? We are well served by buses from all over South London, trains and "Overground" from 2010. Assuming that most patrons would live within a radius of 2 miles or so I am sure they would have no trouble getting here by train or bus (or even walk).

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Posted 06 November 2006 - 09:40 PM

Most people who'd drive would know about the car parking behind Sainsburys surely, plus that would mean they'd have to walk round the triangle, maybe frequenting the White Hart, or the other way, any of the restaurants... i.e. they may be inclined to spend more in and move through the triangle... which is a good thing.

Roaring up in a car, getting out underground, getting a lift up to the lobby, watching the film, then doing it in reverse goes against the idea of a 'community' cinema I reckon... just my 2p.
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#20 Angeles

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 10:44 AM

I think a cinema would be a good addition to the triangle. We shouldn't oppose any developments just because of traffic. In my view most of the traffic going through the triangle is just passing by to go to other destinations. What you need to do is to improve the public transport serving the area, that would sold the traffic problem.

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 10:45 AM

I'm not a PH member; indeed I'd never heard of them prior to this thread. However, I would be if there was one in CP. I don't really mind about the parking as I'd walk the ten minutes from my house to the triangle anyway and no doubt take in a pint at the White Hart on the way back!

Anyway, I'm sure a deal could be done with Sainsburys and also, don't forget the free non-Sainsburys outside parking next to it.
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#22 Uncle Wilf

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:00 AM

Parking is impossible for both the Ritzy and Clapham Picture House.

Both excellent cinemas that seem to be doing well despite this.
I don't think parking is an issue specific to an idea of a cinema. Obviously it's a very significant broader issue for the area.

Ziwa- the Wildy's (was it Wildy's? legal books anyhow) building near the top of Gipsy Hill is absolutely stunning and I hope whatever happens to it is sympathetic to its original design.

I think a decent cinema in the mould of a PH would make a very positive addition to the local area in terms of stimulating knock-on trade.
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#23 Bosie

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 11:49 AM

So can we get a poll going then (moderators?), something along the lines of

If a cinema were to be built/opened in CP how often would you be likely to use it?

E.g.

Weekly

Monthly

Quarterly

Never

If the link to this poll was then casually sent to a few key people at the picturehouse and other (good cinemas) who knows what could happen?
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#24 James

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 12:30 PM

I don't think that a poll at this stage is going to be much help. I know that comparisons have been drawn with the Sainsbury's polls but the circulation of those topics were in the tens of thousands rather than the 500 or so topic views for this topic at the moment. If we do run a poll now you are likely to see perhaps 20 or 30 votes cast, which I think will probably work against you in terms of levels of support. I believe that if you want to have a poll for this issue it would be better to wait until the discussion has picked up a few more readers. I will keep an eye on things and put one up if the level of interest increases.

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#25 eyedropper

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 01:48 PM

I don't think the building at the top of GH would be big enough to be honest... no the best place as suggested in the old boarded up cinema on Chuch road!

Shall we contact the PH people?
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#26 Bosie

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:47 PM

Well I am up for contacting them...I had a spare moment at work so decided to draft something. No time like the present eh?

Can people please comment on what I have written, maybe beef it up a bit or correct any factual errors (as I am quite new to the area). Also people probably have better ways of wording things than me.

Have put a bit in about using the Forum for questions/market research and I am not sure if that would be okay - moderators?

Then if it represents something that people want to send, it can be sent out. At present I only have this email address enquiries@picturehouses.co.uk

Anyway here it is..........be nice :)



Dear Picturehouse,

I am writing to enquire whether your organisation has considered Crystal Palace, South London as a venue for a cinema.

Crystal Palace, in particular the Crystal Palace Triangle is a vibrant district, with a large number of bars, restaurants and independent shops. The area has a real sense of community and an arty demographic. Crystal Palace will benefit from both the extension of the East London Line and the Croydon Tramlink and currently there are good transport links to Crystal Palace from other parts of South London via National Rail and numerous buses.

Members of Virtual Norwood, (www.virtualnorwood.com/forum) an online community forum with a large membership, have recently been discussing the absense of a local cinema and feel that it would be a most welcome and prized addition to the facilities of the Crystal Palace Triangle. In these discussions only one suitable organisation has been discussed and that is the Picturehouse. The people of Crystal Palace and the surrounding areas feel that the Picturehouse offers the type of cinema experience that people want, the right mixture of arthouse/foreign/specialist/mainstream films and the added extras such as the cafe's and the bars. Currently people from the area are having to travel to Brixton or Clapham to see films at one of your cinema's.

As demonstrated by the opening of the new Sainsbury's in Westow Street, after a huge effort from the community to convince Sainsbury's it would be good business to do so, the community is very clear about what it wants and what it will use.

The need for a cinema in the area is undisputed. Until recently there were plans for a huge multiplex cinema in Crystal Palace park. Not the type of facility that the community wanted as it would have been disastrous for the park. Therefore the community rallied together to defeat the proposals. However, this did not mean that a cinema was not wanted. If it was thought that a multiplex would be viable then surely a scaled down version, appropriate to its surroundings would be too?

The forum members have even considered a site, an former cinema on Church Road, last used as a car showroon - right in the heart of the Triangle and the local busineses.

We urge you to consider Crystal Palce in any future business development plans you may have.

As mentioned previously Virtual Norwood has a large membership and we would be happy to take part in any market research / consultation if required. Please feel free to browse the site to get a feel for some of the discussions that have taken place.

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to contact me.

Yours faithfully
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#27 Angeles

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 02:53 PM

Bosie,

Well done, I think that is an impressive letter

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:45 PM

Well done Bosie. I'm happy to support your initiative but just to ensure there aren't any misunderstandings the official stance of VN is we won't have one, since we aren't representitive of the community and we don't have an elected committee. Although VN isn't a lobby group we are happy to help facilitate the process. It is a good way of getting your message out to everyone.

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#29 Bosie

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Posted 07 November 2006 - 03:56 PM

No that's fine. Obviously I am mindful of using speaking on behalf of other people or the 'community' so the letter will come from me.
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#30 Sylvester

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Posted 08 November 2006 - 01:36 PM

Hi Bosie, I would love to add my support for a Picturehouse cinema. However I do have a couple of comments on your enthusiastic letter...

The former cinema in Church Road is surely now the bingo hall. As far as I know, the old car showroom was never a cinema - or am I wrong here?

In paragraph 3, it says: "The people of Crystal Palace and the surrounding areas feel that the Picturehouse offers the type of cinema experience that people want ..." Maybe it would be better to describe us as the Forum members, since we can't really say we represent all the people of CP.

Lastly, can you correct a couple of spelling mistakes - "absence" and "businesses" (sorry!)

Well done!
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