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[charlie]

Arsenal used to be based in south London............as in Woolich Arsenal.

I see what you mean but that was blinkin yonks ago Hermy.

[CPAndy]

Also don't forget Millwall used to be on the Isle of Dogs and didn't Milton Keyne Dons used to be Wimbledon Town or was that just a plan.
Does the Park and surrounding area have the capacity for crowds of 25,000 and maybe 40,000 for special events especially parking.

[RetiredMember2]

Does the Park and surrounding area have the capacity for crowds of 25,000 and maybe 40,000 for special events especially parking.

In a 5 words: of course it bleeding doesn't!

However were they to concrete over large sections of the park, perhaps the lake area and Cafe de Penge then maybe it would be possible to provide parking for thousands. Then there's just be the small issue with the single lane highways, though compulsory purchase orders and the subsequent demolition of all properties that flank the approach routes to create duel carriageways would remedy that oversight.

[Norwood lad]

One other snippet from the latest news is Tottenham propose adding a warm up track to the expanded stadium, which I presume would involve building on the park.

What does this mean for the now approved masterplan. Will this now be torn up and started again??

[Isabelle]

Re: 'Yids'. It is alright when Tottenham fans use it about themselves, not when West Ham fans use it, as it is obviously then meant to be an insult (and occasionally accompanied on the terraces by a hissing noise to represent a gas chamber - lovely) and not a badge of pride.

I don't think many Tottenham fans really want to move to Stratford, especially as the redevelopment of White Hart Lane looked really good. I'm hoping it's just to wind up West Ham that we're even bothering to bid - got to make the most of the opportunity before we lose them to the lower divisions.

Anyway, I was driven here today by the comments of Ed Warner, chairman of UK Athletics, reported in the Guardian. he said: ' Having an Olympic track in an Olympic Stadium is an inspirational factor. That's the legacy London deserves, not a refurb of a fading facility in the wrong part of town.'

Wrong part of town? I wouldn't mind, but the comparison is with Stratford!

[Norwood lad]

Its pretty obvious team Tottenham are only paying lip service to Crystal Palace and have not looked at the masterplan or the actual park and think if they bung a few quid and a few tins of paint then its all fine and dandy.

They are sating they want to complete the bowl and add a warm up track. If they do this then one end is going to impinge on the Paxton Axis which is supposed to be a clear path running through the middle of the park. Adding more seating at the ends of the tracks is going to cut into the surrounding site and any increase in capacity is surely going to mean more infrastructure and car parking etc which will surely effect the masterplan so it makes me wonder if they even know about it.

Might be something a local councillor, MP or GLA rep needs to look into and find out what exactly is planned & how it will effect the Park. I would bet the GLA & Mayor are overjoyed Tottenham are interested as it gets them out of the hole of having to pay for the upgrade to the NSC & Athletics track they have approved.

Still one benefit might be that Tfl finally do the upgrade to CP station in full ( however if its done by 2012 remains to be seen)



http://www.telegraph...-insulting.html

London 2012 Olympics: Ed Warner calls Tottenham's plan for Crystal Palace 'insulting'
Tottenham on Wednesday revealed their plans to rebuild the Olympic Stadium as a football-only venue and to fund the redevelopment of the Crystal Palace athletics stadium, but the proposals have been branded as “insulting” by Ed Warner, the chairman of UK Athletics.

But, crucially, the club have confirmed that there will be no place in the new stadium for an athletics track. Instead, to honour the promise made by the London bid team to the International Olympic Committee in 2005 to provide an athletics legacy, the Tottenham -AEG consortium, as revealed by Telegraph Sport last month, has offered to pay for an upgrade of the Crystal Palace athletics stadium, providing 9,500 extra permanent seats to raise its capacity to 25,000 with the option of adding a further 15,000 seats to stage a World Championship.

The consortium has also offered to complete the stadium bowl to improve the atmosphere and to provide a permanent four-lane warm-up track near the venue.

But Warner, who has publicly backed West Ham’s alternative plan for a multi-use stadium in Stratford complete with a running track, described the Crystal Palace option as “a minimal consolation prize”. He added that Tottenham had turned down his offer of helping them deliver a credible alternative to provide an athletics legacy.

“I think what they’ve come up with looks incredibly thin,” he said. “They’ve come up with the bare minimum that they hope will pass muster with the legacy company when the decision is made, but it’s nothing like the sort of legacy that was envisaged in 2005 in the London bid.

[Sylvester]

Arsenal used to be based in south London............as in Woolich Arsenal.

Yes, but they moved to north London in 1913, way before footie drew the huge fans it does now! I also find it a bit strange that Spurs would consider moving east into WHU territory.

[gekko]

Anyway, I was driven here today by the comments of Ed Warner, chairman of UK Athletics, reported in the Guardian. he said: ' Having an Olympic track in an Olympic Stadium is an inspirational factor. That's the legacy London deserves, not a refurb of a fading facility in the wrong part of town.'

Wrong part of town? I wouldn't mind, but the comparison is with Stratford!

Same old, same old Isabelle. Last month it was Harden's telling everyone that the restaurants in our part of town were rubbish. This month it's the chairman of UK Athletics saying we live in the wrong part of town. Like you say, it's hilarious given the area to which we are being compared, but Stratford is on the tube 'proper' and that little red and blue underground symbol equates to the 'right part of town'. The orange version just doesn't cut it. It's all good though. Leaves CP for those who are less shallow and are willing to scratch below the surface.

Re the Spurs issue of them suggesting using CPP, I think it's a red herring. They need to boost their bid and the idea of refurbishing CP Stadium sounds good on paper. However, should they win, I'd expect this to get ditched pretty quickly citing difficulties over planning issues/local opposition etc.

[dickp]

Or maybe on the grounds that the existing CP stadium is a colossal white elephant, and is not used enough to justified its continued existence - never mind increased capacity. I think the master plan was quite correct about its future: it didn’t have one.

[Spoon]

I'm hoping it's just to wind up West Ham that we're even bothering to bid - got to make the most of the opportunity before we lose them to the lower divisions.

Woah, Isabelle! That is some red rag!

*stands well back*

[St. Lukes Railings]

Re: 'Yids'. It is alright when Tottenham fans use it about themselves, not when West Ham fans use it, as it is obviously then meant to be an insult (and occasionally accompanied on the terraces by a hissing noise to represent a gas chamber - lovely) and not a badge of pride.

I don't think many Tottenham fans really want to move to Stratford, especially as the redevelopment of White Hart Lane looked really good. I'm hoping it's just to wind up West Ham that we're even bothering to bid - got to make the most of the opportunity before we lose them to the lower divisions.

Anyway, I was driven here today by the comments of Ed Warner, chairman of UK Athletics, reported in the Guardian. he said: ' Having an Olympic track in an Olympic Stadium is an inspirational factor. That's the legacy London deserves, not a refurb of a fading facility in the wrong part of town.'

Wrong part of town? I wouldn't mind, but the comparison is with Stratford!

I would suggest you get your facts right. The term is used NOT as an insult as I;ve explained on here. Yes I have heard the gas noises but that was eons ago in the bad old 80's and they were never used in conjunction with 'that' word. You just dont hear that these days. If anyone did that at the Boleyn these days they would get shouted down. You cant call youselves a name then wee your pants if someone else calls you that.

As for 'losing' WHU to the lower divisions you'd be gutted. Arsenal arent your close rivals anymore, were the closest thing you've got to a rival. Who would you be left with?? Fulham?

Won't happen anyway...

[ozric]

SLR I'm sorry but the gas noises still do happen, I've heard them from West Ham fans whilst at White Hart Lane within the last couple of years. I appreciate that it really is a very small minority but the fact is it is still happening. To say that the noises were never used in conjunction with that word is simply not believable the 2 are so closely related that it can't only be a coincidence and if they were not related why would they be known as gas noises surely they would be thought of as something else.

Whether it will happen or not I don't think anyone really knows at the moment but the sizeable bond could be a factor in the economics of West Ham getting it. We'll see on Jan 28th.

[Isabelle]

I would suggest you get your facts right. The term is used NOT as an insult as I;ve explained on here. Yes I have heard the gas noises but that was eons ago in the bad old 80's and they were never used in conjunction with 'that' word. You just dont hear that these days. If anyone did that at the Boleyn these days they would get shouted down. You cant call youselves a name then wee your pants if someone else calls you that.

As for 'losing' WHU to the lower divisions you'd be gutted. Arsenal arent your close rivals anymore, were the closest thing you've got to a rival. Who would you be left with?? Fulham?

Won't happen anyway...

Fear not, my underwear remains unsoiled and I remain unconvinced by your argument. Believe me, I've been to enough Spurs West Ham games to know my facts - always guaranteed the worst trouble. You must be the only West Ham fan in existence who doesn't use '***' and mean it as an insult, so good on you.

I remember when West Ham fans used to say that they are our real rivals but haven't heard one do it for a while - they always believed it but Spurs have never considered them that way. I've got to know - what do you think you're our rivals for exactly? Just the stadium, isn't it, really? I hope you get it to be honest - makes much more sense than us having it.

[Elmo]

I remember when West Ham fans used to say that they are our real rivals ...

I'm married to a family of Millwall season ticket holders. Believe me, if the Hammers go down then the Millwall games in the Championship will be... interesting.

Back on topic though. The name change thing seems to have got up the Spurs fans noses:
http://www.thisislon...ing-our-name.do

[Local]

No prob continuing to call them Spurs, or Stratford Hotspur, or even Investec. Just not Tottenham Hotspur.